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Characters You No Longer Love 
9th-Mar-2010 09:24 pm
JD and Turk
With many shows there are characters we may not be fond of in the beginning, but they grow on us to the point of loving the character to pieces (ex: Prentiss, Rossi). My question is this: is there a character you may have loved in the earlier seasons, but you find yourself indifferent or disliking the character now? Just curious!
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10th-Mar-2010 02:27 am (UTC)
I'm going to get shot for this, I just know it...

Reid. Yes, the Dr. Spencer Reid. I used to LOVE him, and then... I think it was just overexposure. So many storylines focused on him, so much of fandom focuses on him, and I bitch and groan now when he has more than a few lines in an episode.

It's sad, because I really used to enjoy him.
10th-Mar-2010 02:29 am (UTC)
I can't say I dislike him or anything, he's always been more of a neutral for me.
I however, do not like that he seems to be the focus of sooo much nowadays.
10th-Mar-2010 02:37 am (UTC)
Okay, don't hate me guys, but JJ is kind of losing steam for me, and I'm not sure why. Maybe the writers will give her something more to do, but right now, kind of stale with her.
10th-Mar-2010 02:39 am (UTC)
Same for me. And her focus episodes are like the same 2 cases - women or babies.
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10th-Mar-2010 02:56 am (UTC)
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10th-Mar-2010 02:54 am (UTC)
For a while I felt like that with Hotch. But happily he has redeemed himself in my eyes the last half of last season and all of this season. For someone I liked and now just loathe, that's probably Foyet. Loved his first episode, hated him every episode since.
10th-Mar-2010 08:40 am (UTC)
Loved his first episode, hated him every episode since.

I'm ashamed to admit it, but I liked him in his first episode as well when I thought we'd never see him again.

Now I'm glad it's over and done with and he's dead. :-/
10th-Mar-2010 02:57 am (UTC)
I used to like Elle, but when she lost her fierceness I started to dislike her as a character. Fortunately she left right at the point she started to become annoying.

Also fallen out of love with JJ. she's boring.

And while I do adore Garcia, she has lost her spark this season. idk what happened?

10th-Mar-2010 02:59 am (UTC)
Yeah, Garcia does seem sadly toned down this season.
10th-Mar-2010 03:02 am (UTC) - I'll be shot for this....
The guy in your icon is the one that has lost me. I don't hate him, but he can easily get on my nerves.

Morgan was a neutral in earlier episodes, but these past couple of years he seems to have a real chip on his shoulder. Telling Rossi that he thought Hotch "lost it" when he walked away from the police raid in DC on those guys who were committing suicide by cop. His cynicism at "this isn't a BAU case" in a couple of episodes drove me nuts. Geez in the one he practically had to have a body dropped in his lap before he agreed they had a serial killer. There is skepticism and then there is not trusting your fellow agents. Morgan seems to think he knows best, even though more seasoned agents have different opinions.

If this were real life I sincerely wonder how he passed the psych evaluation. Or if he did, that they wouldn't suggest on-going therapy for his anger and trust issues.
10th-Mar-2010 03:06 am (UTC) - Re: I'll be shot for this....
Morgan definitely gets on my nerves at least once per ep. They tend to make him be the devil's advocate and it gets pretty old. I think I tend to forgive him for it because Shemar is so pretty :) Yes, I'm that shallow.
10th-Mar-2010 03:46 am (UTC)
Reid, I'm afraid. I used to really like him, Character jumped the shark for me back in the early days of Season 4; now he just bores me.
10th-Mar-2010 04:16 am (UTC)
I love Reid and always have, but I have to agree with much of what has been said, my love of Reid has uh, lessened due to the Reid fanatics (no offense meant to any person in particular) who swoon when he breathes. I also can't stand the fact that it always comes down to how much Reid there was in any particular episode. The show is about profiling, and there are amazing cases and great characters. So, while Reid is one of those great characters, it just doesn't always have to be about him, nomatter how much or how little Reid there is in any episode. It seems that someone is always complaining about him having too much screen time, too little, or swooninig over his hair. Really? Reid is great, but so is everyone else.

When there is going to be a Reid ep I avoid the boards so as not to be annoyed.
--Please do not kill me for my opinion.--
10th-Mar-2010 06:39 am (UTC)
or swooninig over his hair

Yes. I feel like such a hypocrite since I was just like this with a particular movie character once, but I don't see any of these characters this way and the swooning really puts me off him.
10th-Mar-2010 04:19 am (UTC)
Not that Reid needs defending, but I blame the Reid backlash on fandom. I love him and MGG, but I love the team and the cast more. I think that's the problem with some of the fans. They no longer see the team anymore.

I'm gonna say that JJ has been boring me lately. She hasn't done much of anything lately. And I hate to say it, but I don't like Garcia with red hair. I still love her, but I got really attached to the blond.
10th-Mar-2010 04:22 am (UTC)
And I hate to say it, but I don't like Garcia with red hair. I still love her, but I got really attached to the blond.

THIS, so much. I don't think the red hair suits her at all.
10th-Mar-2010 04:20 am (UTC)
Reid. I absolutely loved him back in seasons 1 & 2 when he was the adorable, socially awkward shy genius boy who would always end up being the one to save the team when it mattered most.

Now he's become this darker, more arrogant and more assertive character in desperate need of a shower and a haircut. I understand why his character would have needed to change over time, what with dealing with the things he had to, but I still miss the Reid that he used to be. Also, I know this has been mentioned around here before, but it's feeling like MGG is inserting his hipster quirk too much into the character these days.

Edited at 2010-03-10 04:21 am (UTC)
10th-Mar-2010 08:42 am (UTC)
Also, I know this has been mentioned around here before, but it's feeling like MGG is inserting his hipster quirk too much into the character these days.

I agree with this.
10th-Mar-2010 04:46 am (UTC)
I'll go with Gideon, although my reason may not be rational. To be clear, I never really loved the character, but he didn't bother me either. I started watching CM after he left, but saw plenty of episodes in reruns. Eventually I wanted to know why Mandy left, so I did some research, which left me with a very negative opinion of him. After that, for whatever reason, his character just bugged the hell out of me. I think Gideon feels he's entitled, is extremely arrogant and is not a true team player. Oh, and also, he runs like a pansy.

As for Reid, I'm pretty indifferent about him. I watched CM for awhile before learning about the fandom and wow, I was not prepared for the onslaught of MGG/Reid love. As in any fandom, I think it can be a real turnoff when a character/actor can do no wrong and everything can be rationalized or justified. It's a shame that people who don't feel the strong Reid or MGG love are afraid to say so for fear of being burned at the stake.
10th-Mar-2010 06:58 am (UTC)
Oh, why did Mandy leave? I never knew why.

I don't like Gideon anymore. I used to like him a lot in the beginning. When he left and Rossi came in, I was really sad. Thought that Rossi could never take his place. But after watching several seasons with Rossi and a few reruns with Gideon, I really don't like Gideon. He just comes over so full of himself.

With Rossi & Hotch, I feel like the team is really a team where everyone is treated equally. With Gideon, it was more 'Me! Me! Me!'.
10th-Mar-2010 04:52 am (UTC)
I'm going to hop in here before I hit the sheets. I'm also going to to start by saying that Reid is my favorite character. i first started watching the show because it was time spent with my fiance. over that time, i've grown to love Reid. To the point of a character-crush almost. I became that Reid-fangirl who nitpicked about the shows not having enough Reid. But that character-crush has faded, and I enjoy Reid the character because of how MGG the actor portrays him, nasty hair and all. I've really come to appreiciate MGG's knee blow out because the writers had to side line him so much. So when I saw The Uncanny Valley, I really felt I was treated to something there. So while I love Reid the character, I'm not IN love with Reid the character. I'm at the point of valuing the character, for the character.

Now that I'm off my crush with Reid, I can see that ALL the characters need backgrounds like Reid got. We need more fundimental background and more substance. Not little snippits of random comments. I want to hear more about Prentiss and her family, I want to hear more about Rossi's childhood with future mobsters. I want to hear about Garcia's 4? brothers, and I want to see more Henry and Will for JJ.

just my two cents.
10th-Mar-2010 06:20 am (UTC)
I used to like Elle. I was even kinda bummed when she left. But when I went back and watched episodes with her I grew even more and more annoyed with her. It was like she tried so hard to be "one of the guys". Now I don't like her at all.

Also, as much as I still really love Reid, I've gotta agree that it does get bothersom that the show centers around him more than other characters. I would love to get more past story lines with the other characters. Like, they're all mysteries that we guess and have fanfiction for, but everyone knows Reid's. Plus, I also don't like how dark he's gotten. I miss socially-awkward and cute Reid; I don't like Reid with long hair, less stats, and over-all darker behavior. :/
10th-Mar-2010 06:50 am (UTC)
I used to like Elle. I was even kinda bummed when she left. But when I went back and watched episodes with her I grew even more and more annoyed with her. It was like she tried so hard to be "one of the guys". Now I don't like her at all.

This is really embarrassing, but I don't own any of the DVD sets and hadn't re-watched any of CM until recently. I saw an ep with Elle and spent at least ten minutes wondering who the annoying woman with the horrid makeup was and why they were giving so much time to a guest star before I realized who she was-- I just didn't remember her being that bad. Gideon either, but I was less about Elle than Gideon originally and now he drives me straight up a wall.

(Wow, from all my bitching you'd think I don't like anyone on the show. I generally really like the present team, even if I do think Reid is overexposed thanks to fandom squee and JJ is drastically underused.)
10th-Mar-2010 06:46 am (UTC)
Besides the Reid irritation, I've got to target Gideon for this one. I loved him when I was watching him in first-runs, and was really skeptical about Rossi. Now when I re-watch old eps, I wonder how I managed to avoid being annoyed with him. It's such a marked contrast with how well Rossi interacts with the team, and while Rossi had a "my manpain, let me show you it" turn for a while there, Mantegna seems to be content with everything not being about how awesome he is.

And while I'm sounding cranky, I feel like the writers don't know what to do with JJ. Everything is mothermotherbabybabymother. It's like there's nothing else to the character anymore, and I really, really wish a Hollywood show could manage to get a character with a demanding job pregnant without some version of "omg motherhood is compromising you hurr hurr derp derp"-- yeah, she turned out to be *right* last go-round, but I could have done without a trip to that stereotype to begin with. I don't dislike her, I just think she's drastically underutilized.
10th-Mar-2010 06:51 am (UTC)
I love all the characters, though some more than others, and I love the show best when they're doing "team episodes." Ensemble episodes where no one character is focused on and they all do their thang and "kick criminal ass." :D Favorite episode of season four? Minimal Loss. Even though it kinda focused on Reid and Prentiss (for obvious reasons), the whole team was involved. I also love how much that episode shows how they're bound to one another. :D They is being family, and stuff. <3

But Reid is my favorite, in case anyone didn't know that. :P

Okay done now.

(Oh, and character I'm bored of? Don't shoot me, but Hotch. Yep. I said it. If there must be 'character episodes' I want a Morgan or a Garcia one. Yayz!)
10th-Mar-2010 07:05 am (UTC)
I would love another Garcia ep and some Morgan focus as well. It would be nice to see Morgan's family again and maybe meet Garcia's brothers.

What makes me weary of Hotch is all of the angst he's been surrounded with this season. How hard would it be to have one good thing happen to him?
10th-Mar-2010 07:54 am (UTC)
Prentiss. Yes, honestly, even though I've not been a fan that long and adored her at first - she (and her fans, much like the Reid fans have done to other folk) started to grate. I still like her... but after a while I find there is less to her than meets the eye.
10th-Mar-2010 08:52 am (UTC)
This

I partially blame the writers, since both Prentiss and JJ have been somewhat neglected, and as a result both of their characters have stagnated as of late

10th-Mar-2010 09:22 am (UTC)
I don't really hate any of the chars, never have. But I've never gotten the love for Hotch either. He was always just 'there' for me. And I guess it doesn't help that I don't find him all that outstandingly attractive either.

I hated how when we finally got a bit of a focus on Morgan, with him taking over Hotch's job that Hotches fans instantly started complaining.
11th-Mar-2010 05:51 pm (UTC)
I hated how when we finally got a bit of a focus on Morgan, with him taking over Hotch's job that Hotches fans instantly started complaining.
THIS...all day long.
10th-Mar-2010 10:01 am (UTC)
I love them all. :)
10th-Mar-2010 12:46 pm (UTC)
Please don't shoot me, but I have a really love hate relationship with Rossi. In some eps he kicks ass but in others...I want to hit him....

Ahem.

I'm at the end of S4, but sometimes it feels like let's big up Rossi 'cause he's fantastic... yeah OK. I guess it just depends on the ep.

Please don't shoot me.
10th-Mar-2010 01:00 pm (UTC)
For me it's Morgan. I agree that Shemar is gorgeous, but they've made Morgan into this distrustful jerk. Even after all this time he STILL doesn't trust the team and he feels the need to let them know with snide little comments all the time. I hate that!
10th-Mar-2010 01:11 pm (UTC)
Reid, JJ and Hotch were all, at some point, candidates to be a favorite - but they didn't make it for the same reasons most have already mentioned (overexposure in the case of Reid and somewhat Hotch, though his case is a bit different, and plain boring in JJ's case).

Prentiss is still my favorite, but I hope her character doesn't go down the boring line.
10th-Mar-2010 02:07 pm (UTC)
Seems like I’m pretty much alone with this, but I’m totally overdosed and fed up with Hotch and I blame it all on fandom.

While Hotch never was my favorite character I’ve always liked him and Hotch/Reid was one of my favorite fandom pairings. Today I hardly read that anymore, and it’s because of Hotch and not because of Reid.

From what I read here I probably just joined the wrong message board, because where I used to spend most of my fandom time everything seemed to be about Hotch right from the moment when I joined them at the beginning of season 4 (been a fan since 1x01, but not active in fandom). What happened to most people here with Reid, happened to me with Hotch. Every little detail about Hotch was discussed excessively, Reid was bashed (as were his fans) and other characters ignored. When there is no Hotch in an episode, there’s hardly any discussion at all. I often felt as if I don’t voice exuberant love for Hotch, I’m not welcome to the fandom.

Lately this has been a bit more balanced since the fans of JJ, Rossi and Prentiss started speaking-up but I’m still pretty much on the retreat from fandom. It doesn’t help either that I don’t like this specific season so far (so not a fan of longer story arcs) and that I’m not happy with the overall development Hotch has taken.

Hotch was a funny guy who used to joke a bit and smile a lot in the earlier seasons, and he had that happy family, but nowadays he’s just tragedy personified and I don’t like that with him. I can’t shake the feeling that initially the Gideon character was intended to go down hill and since this story line couldn’t be finished due to Mandy leaving on his own terms, Hotch was set up for the same thing and it’s just not something I enjoy.

Now sue me, I’m one of those annoying Reid fan girls.
10th-Mar-2010 08:32 pm (UTC)
IA so much.
10th-Mar-2010 03:03 pm (UTC)
Gideon. I first started watching Criminal Minds from the first season in reruns during the time that season four was airing. I was completely indifferent about Gideon... until I saw "Riding the Lightning." I was baffled as to why a guy who is supposed to be the best and brightest profiler couldn't seem to grasp why a mother would sacrifice her life for the happiness of her child. After that I lost all respect for him and was glad when Mandy finally left the show.
10th-Mar-2010 06:27 pm (UTC)
Nope, love them all and always will.
Especially Reid and Hotch.
Well maybe Elle a bit, she seemed pretty pointless to me (GO PRENTISS!)
I can understand how people do get annoyed with the characters,
and in this season they do seem out of character
Like Garcia being Toned down
And Reid being more out going (wtf, he doesn't know what twilight, bff or clockwork orange is but he knows about teenagers strangling themselves for a *buzz*... does he do it or summit?)

But to be honest, if you write the character the same all the time then they are going to get boring.
Feel free to agree of disagree...
10th-Mar-2010 08:25 pm (UTC)
Garcia. I used to really like her, because she was so awesome, and she's not like a lot of other female characters on TV, even on CM (as in, she's not a stick and conventionally gorgeous), but the longer the show has gone on, the more and more annoying I find her. I really dislike her, she drives me up the wall. It's like that's all she is, "oh, I'm so edgy, oh I'm so hot and loud and flirtatious." She's just a token 'other', like Abby on NCIS, and there's not much to her besides that.
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